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telemetria
lukáš |
18-05-2011, 16:27 |
(217.119.117.xxx)
nazdar chlapy potreboval by som vyrobit telemetriu na dohladavanie mojho
sokola vedely by ste mi stym pomôct ??? tu je môj e-mail
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Re: telemetria
Lubor |
18-05-2011, 22:43 |
(80.243.103.xxx)
Sokola, to jako živé ptactvo co se nevrátilo pro pamlsek? To spíše než
Telemetrie bych vlákno nazval . Telemetrie je něco, co ti na dálku dává
zprávu o tom, v jakém stavu to sledované zařízení je. Jaká má
tvůj sokol využitelná rozhraní?
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Re: telemetria
Lubor |
27-05-2011, 20:51 |
(80.243.103.xxx)
kluci, máte nápad, jak by se dalo tady kolegovi sokolníkovi pomoci?
Nejspíš půjde o živého tvora, co toho moc neunese, má zahnutej
zobák, usalaší se někde na větvi, a je neviditelnej. Prostě nějaký
jednoduchý všesměrový maják, a majitel si ho dohledá rámovou anténou,
jako při orientačním běhu za liškou. Existuje něco pidi-midi, co by se mu
mohlo přikurtovat na nožku?
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Re: telemetria
jetylo |
28-05-2011, 11:51 |
(195.98.4.xxx)
Tak neviem, ci to nie je skor dotaz, na radio-amaterov ako na
modelarov….
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Re: telemetria
Romi |
http://www.rcklublc.sk |
29-05-2011, 22:43 |
(94.229.32.xxx)
Otázne je, čo vlastne potrebuje, možno mu stačí gps loger… Alebo
len malý vysielač, ako majú voľné modely, aby toho vtáka vedel
nájsť.
29. 05. 22:45 - Príspevok bol upravený
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Re: telemetria
Drondys |
06-06-2011, 17:28 |
(213.180.34.xxx)
Pokud bez problému unese třeba tak máš vyřešeno.
Rozměry 45×35×21 mm Hmotnost 30 g
Funguje to tak, že se do toho dá SIM karta a když se tvůj miláček
zatoulá a je v dosahu GSM operátora tak stačí z nějakého mobilu
poslat na tu SIM kartu SMS v příslušném formátu a obratem ti přijde
SMS obsahující aktuální pozici a to můžeš provádět opakovaně dokud ho
nenajdeš.
O něco větší a těžší, ale levnější je třeba tento
Rozměry 65×45×17mm Hmotnost 50 g
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Re: telemetria
Lubor |
06-06-2011, 23:23 |
(80.243.103.xxx)
OK. To bychom měli řešení na bázi GPS. Zobrazení může být na
mobilním telefonu s Internetovým připojením.
Nebezpečí vidím ve dvou věcech:
- anténa přijímající signál, nemusí být vlivem laického pohledu
sokola vždy v optimální poloze pro určení alespoň 2D polohy, tj.
3 viditelné satelity ve vhodné poloze
- dostupnost GSM signálu (pokrytí) v
Pokud GPS přijímač s GSM přijímačem/vysílačem váží 30g,
tak v tom případě musí existovat ještě lehčí řešení na základě
čistě broadcastovaného signálu.
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Re: telemetria
Lubor |
19-06-2011, 12:28 |
(80.243.103.xxx)
… našlo by se řešení, které by bylo tak říkajíc a přitom
malé, lehké a levné?
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Re: telemetria
Janko O |
19-06-2011, 18:01 |
(109.230.57.xxx)
Lubor, o toto sa (márne?) snažíme už asi štvrtý rok. Celú
peripetiu som podrobne opísal v seriáli Cesta k telemetrii. Ale
ideálne riešenie sme aj tak nenašli. Možno preto, že neexistuje. Každé
riešenie niečo vyrieši a niečo skomplikuje. Aby to bolo nezávislé na
infraštruktúre (pekný výraz. Môžem ho začať používať?) musí to mať
vlastný vysielač aj prijímač pre telemetriu. Ostatné časti telemetrie sa
už potom nemenia. Ak to má niečo zobrazovať, musí tam byť displej. Alebo
PDA-čko, alebo miniatúrny notebook, alebo… Aby to vydávalo zvuky, nie
je problém. Aby sa dalo niečo nastavovať, musí to mať tlačidlá, alebo to
musí byť PDA-čko, alebo miniatúrny notebook, alebo…. Niekdy mám
pocit, že sa krútime v bludnom kruhu. S bratom sme sa zhodli na tom,
že skoro ideálne by bolo lacné PDA-čko s vhodnými vstupmi, ktoré by
sa dalo jednoducho programovať. Myslím tak, aby som sa znovu (koľký krát
už) nemusil učiť nejaký nový programovací jazyk, či vôbec spôsob
programovania. Alebo nejaký lacný detský notebook, alebo niečo podobné,
malé podobné počítaču, do čoho vieme urobiť softvér bez problémov.
Akonáhle začnú číňania vyrábať mini notebook veľkosti 150×100 mm
v cene 19,90 USD, problém je vyriešený. Ale samostaného vysielača
a prijímača by sme sa aj tak nezbavili. Skrátka: problém telemetrie večne
živý.
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Re: telemetria
Lubor |
23-06-2011, 09:08 |
(80.243.103.xxx)
Co se opravdické telemetrie týče, nemám námitek a je to tak jak Janko
píše (používání infrastruktury máš povoleno ;o) – je to takový
pěkný český výraz). Potíž je v tom, že celé toto vlákno má od
samého začátku nejspíše jiný název, než by mu náležel. Telemetrie
skutečně předpokládá přenos údajů na dálku a jejich zobrazení. Drondys
uvedl řešení na bázi komerčních zařízení používajících GPS a GSM.
Ovšem podíváme-li se ještě jednou pozorně na zadání a pomineme-li, že
je nejspíše nevhodně zvolený název, tak tazatel hledá zařízení, které
mu pomůže najít ulétnuvšího ptáka sokola, který se mu ztratil ve volné
přírodě. Nemusíme se tedy držet telemetrie a celé to můžeme
zjednodušit.
Tedy než Telemetrie bych vlákno nazval „výroba lehkého zaměřovače“
nebo podobně. Nešlo by to dodatečně nějak přejmenovat, abychom nemíchali
témata. Romi, Jetylo, Drondys i Janko by samozřejmě museli být
pro… Lukáš se neozval… žiješ chlape? V podstatě to ani
nezapadá do hlavního tematu , ale chtělo by to nové hlavní téma, které
musí založit administrátor (pokud je to možné).
Abych to shrnul, hledáme jednoduchý lehký a málo žravý vysílač na
straně sokola, a přenosný přijímač na straně sokolníka. Pořád se mi
vrací myšlenka na , kdy se pobíhalo s rámovou anténou po hvozdech a
zaměřovalo o stošest. Dělá se to ještě v dnešní době?
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Re: telemetria
lukáš |
18-10-2011, 20:24 |
(217.119.123.xxx)