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Turnigy T9X - software
admin |
Vas web |
27-01-2011, 20:32 |
(213.151.238.xxx)
Tu píšte všetko o softvéri k T9X. Vystríhajte sa
vulgárností, osočovania, urážok! Nepleťte si obsah vlákna
s iným!
27. 01. 20:35 - Príspevok bol upravený
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Atto |
28-01-2011, 13:56 |
(193.87.172.xxx)
Zaujímalo by ma, na koľko nebezpečný môže byť Open Source. Uznávam,
že neodborný zásah do programu môže viesť k nevyspytateľnému
správaniu zariadenia. V tomto prípade modelárskeho vysielača. Dosť sa
Open Source pre Turnigy 9 prirovnáva k Open Source Linuxu. Mám tomu
rozumieť tak, že aj Linux je nebezpečný?
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Janko O |
28-01-2011, 18:51 |
(109.230.56.xxx)
Ahoj Atto. Dnes večer je Miroslav mimo. Nie že opitý, ale mimo dosahu
počítača, takže ti odpovie asi až zajtra. Ja osobne som priateľom Open
Source, ale uznávam, že asi nie každý do toho môže hocijako . Ale to
platí o všetkom. Skús si dačo poštelovať v elektronike auta,
alebo skús kadečo ponastavovať v Setupe počítača. A bude mŕtvy,
pokiaľ to niekto znalý nenastaví správne.
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
vpershing |
28-01-2011, 20:03 |
(92.52.12.xxx)
Otázka je čo je neodborný zásah do FW. Väčšina bežných užívateľov
si ani nemá veľkú šancu sama nový FW do vysielača dať. Ak tak, siahne po
návode ako prispájkovať rozhranie programátora na dosku vysielača, zakúpi
alebo vyrobí si programátor a vhodným programom preflashuje procesor.
A aj z týchto ľudí je len minumum, čo si k tomu stiahne aj
zdrojový kód, kompilátor a pokúsi sa to hoci len skompilovať. Ak sa mu to
vôbec podarí bez chyby pri komplilácii, tak už možno povedať, že tomu
začína rozumieť. A až vtedy možno povedať, že sa môže pokúsiť
o úpravu zdrojového kódu. Nuž a keď si to niekto takto dokáže aj
upraviť podľa vlastných potrieb, tak si to zrejme aj odskúša a zrejme
dobrie vie, čo robí. Takže k tej hrozbe úpravy FW asi toľko…
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Janko O |
29-01-2011, 10:51 |
(109.230.56.xxx)
Vladko, priznám sa, že tento uhol pohľadu mi ani neprišiel na um, ale je
to presne tak. Stretávam sa s tým, keď niekomu vysvetľujem, ako
skompilovať a následne nahrať (napáliť) binárny súbor do PIC
mikrokontroléra, s ktorými robím. Akosi podvedome predpokladám, že
najväčšie umenie je vlastný program, ale neskôr sa ukáže, že pre
neznalého je to možno menší problém, ako ho správne skompilovať a potom
aj správne nahrať do PIC-u.
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Atto |
02-02-2011, 09:49 |
(193.87.172.xxx)
Asi pred dvoma týždňami na rcmánii sa Pepin pokúšal dostať do úzkych
Rimra tým, že žiadal na Turnigy 9X naprogramovať voláku extrémnu
kombináciu mixov. Nie som síce žiadny expert, ale to čo Pepin od Rimra
chcel, by mohlo súčasne ovládať raketoplán, atomovú ponorku a elektráreň
v Kujbyševe. Skrátka mi to pripadalo, ako že sa Pepin snaží za každú
cenu Rimra zahnať do kúta a donútiť ho kapitulovať s vyhlásením, že
toto T9X nedokáže. Neveril som, že by Pepin mal o túto vysielačku
seriózny záujem a teda som nadobudol dojem, že to celé je len účelová
diskreditačná fantasmagória. Keď mu Rimr ukázal, že tie jeho nezmyselné
požiadavky splniť dokáže, Pepin začína hrať mŕtveho chrobáka alebo
váhavého strelca. Taktiež by ma zaujímalo, či by dokázal počas
adrenalínového lietania bez zaváhania prepnúť tú správnu kombináciu
prepínačov, aby aktivoval jeden z toho obrovského množstva letových
režimov, ktoré pôvodne od Rimra požadoval.
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Drondys |
02-02-2011, 20:06 |
(213.180.34.xxx)
Předem chci upozornit, že . Nicméně chci zde upozornit na určité
nebezpečí spojené s úpravami zdrojového kódu, které
nemusí být na první pohled zcela patrné.
Vše co je napsáno v příspěvku od před větou cituji:
dokáže udělat i člověk, který nezná nebo je v něm
úplným začátečníkem. Podotýkám, že ve zmíněném
programovacím jazyce je například firmware ER9X pro T9X
napsán.
Jakmile se ovšem kdokoli má pustit do úprav pak musí velmi dobře vědět
co dělá jak z hlediska obeznámenosti s již napsaným zdrojovým
kódem tj. musí si to velmi dobře prostudovat, tak i z hlediska velmi
dobré znalosti programovacího jazyka C.
Samozřejmostí by tedy měla být velmi dobrá znalost jazyka C a
dřívější alespoň dvouletá zkušenost s psaním programů
v tomto jazyce, který je poměrně velmi záludný pro začátečníky
z hlediska nesyntaktických chyb, které vám překladač neohlásí, ale
které mohou způsobovat neočekávané chování programu, přepisování
části paměti apod. a v některých případech jsou i velmi
špatně dohledatelné.
Věřte mi, že velmi dobře vím o čem mluvím, protože sám
programuji již mnoho let v C/C++. Toto upozornění píšu zejména proto,
aby se úpravám zdrojáků nepřistupovalo až příliš v rovině
triviality. Pokud je někdo v jazyce C pouhý začátečník nebo jej
nezná skoro vůbec a snažil by se realizovat úpravy aniž by si byl jist tím
co přesně dělá s tím, že se při tom bude učit jazyk C třeba podle
nějaké učebnice jazyka programování, pak upozorňuji na to, že může
nadělat velmi záludné chyby, které se nemusí projevit ani při
krátkodobých testech. Mohou se projevit až později v závislosti na
určitém nastavení parametrů. Taková skrytá chyba potom může číhat
uvnitř a jen za určitých okolností pak někdy způsobit přepsání třeba
hodnoty proměnné určené k nastavení nějakého kanálu což by se
mohlo velmi neblaze projevit za letu.
Proto znovu upozorňuji, . Jinak se můžeme dočkat velmi nepříjemných
chyb a pokud by to mělo způsobit pády modelů a navíc by se takovéto
úpravy rozšířily mezi více lidí, tak by to akorát nahrávalo odpůrcům
open source pro tento účel i odpůrcům T9X jako takové.
Takže opravdu postupujte v tomto ohledu velmi, ale velmi
obezřetně a opatrně a pokud si nejste jisti, raději se do vlastních úprav
zdrojáků nepouštějte!!!
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Re: Turnigy T9X - software
Bubka |
28-07-2011, 22:06 |
(93.184.66.xxx)
Prosím najde sa tu niekto z okolia Dubnice,Trenčina, ktory by nahral
do vysielača Er9×. Skušali sme to s STK 500 cez seriovy port.
Flash sme prehrali ,ale nejde prehrat Eeprom. Vysielacka je mrtva hlasi EEPROM
ERROR. USB programatory su objednane ale boh vie ako rýchlo prídu. ISP
konektor je pod stitkom TURNIGY rýchlo prístupný. Vopred dakujem.